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"Insights" columnist Matt Zavadsky focuses on the implications of recent news from around the world and it's impact on EMS nationally and in your home town.

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Data Dementia
by Chad Stephen Albert, EMT-Paramedic

Matt: I read today’s insights column, and feel perhaps a little misunderstood. I was not trying to say that data collection is futile, but that establishing the validity of much of the data collected is very difficult. Varying definitions from system to system, and provider to provider have a potential to dramatically change to outcomes of targeted studies. The differences in each system make it very difficult to correctly interpret the data that comes out from them.

Take for example Orlando- the ALS first responders take far more scene time and try to perform all treatment modalities on scene. Now in looking at Volusia county, most ALS treatment is performed enroute to the hospital, or by the transport provider. Yet both systems fall under the general classification of FD ALS first response, with outside ALS transport. How would the results of an identical study done in Orlando differ from one done here? Are they comparable? They are both in the same general category of system, but the dynamics of how calls are run is dramatically different. Are the results from such a study as valid in Orlando as they would be in Volusia? Even in systems of similar design and classification, organizational paradigm and style leave a very distinct footprint on the data collected. How do you correctly evaluate the data from both systems? T

he NEMSIS project does a good job of standardizing WHAT data is collected, but does not particularly well establish a methodology for it's application. For example the percentage of chest pain patients given ASA can be collected and used to benchmark a system's compliance with the protocol, but how do you discern the numbers? I may only give 3 of 10 Cx pain's ASA, but three of them may be on coumadin, and another 4 are presenting with cough and fever. Have I given only 30% of the cx pain's ASA, or 100% of the CARDIAC related Cx pains? As far as the provider influencing the data collected, if the ALS first responders know that they are being looked at, and the necessity of ALS services in their area may be decreased or reduced, do you think that there may be an increase in ALS modalities perfomed on scene? In other systems, where there maybe a rife between the ALS first responders and the transport agency, perhaps the transporting agency might speed through the on scene process, so that they can have the patient in their truck faster, decreasing the first responders chance to have them on scene for an hour?

Citing NEMSIS again, to comply with a 100% number, would I give ASA to a highly probable pneumonia, so as to make the # look better? I feel that the opposition to data reporting, which we discussed only serves to highlight the fact that not many of the ALS services or treatments provided by EMS are strongly supported by positive outcome (as defined as time sensitive, not done by EMS = a lower survival rate, or increased cost to patient stay). Nobody (in management) be it public or private sector, wants to see anything that says less is better. Budgets need to justified, everybody’s little piece of the pie needs to be protected, and everyone wants another slice. Nobody wants to take a hard look at the services provided, and really have a truly data driven system. They might not like what we find out.

Data collection is important, but the interpretation and implementation of the results is also critical. How do we correlate outcomes with services provided? How do we interpret the data we get? Many of the studies published in the trade journals do not provide the data critical to correctly evaluate the data or conclusions made.

Take for example a recent study in Pennsylvania, which implied that paramedic intubation of head injuries correlated with an increase in mortality. Yes, it does. Patients intubated in the field have higher mortality rates, but it can be inferred that patients requiring field intubation are in worse condition than those not intubated prehospitally. Yet this study does not break down system configuration, number of paramedics in the system, number of intubations done per year per medic, or the scene time involved with the intubated vs. non intubated patients. It also does not state the time of injury to time of intubation, or show transport times. All of these factors are important in interpretation of the data, and in implementation of new protocols or policies, yet are not really addressed.

I was not trying to say that data collection and the concept of evidence based medicine are bad, in fact they are mission critical to the future of prehospital medicine, but that the politics of EMS nationwide are not currently set up to handle that type of change. The EMS system needs to put aside the politics of provision of services, and without the desire to have that type of change, a lot of time and money gets wasted.

I would suggest that we also look at the overall quality of the care provided in our systems. How often are our assesements accurate when compared to admitting or discharge Dx? Evaluating our cognitive abilities is equally important to a statistical breakdown of how many sticks it takes, or how often protocols are followed. Without it, we may as well go back to the "push half the blue box" days.

As a side note, I worked in NYC and the Albany, NY area, not Buffalo- that’s part of Canada I think. And you can add Palm Beach County to the list.

Chad Stephen Albert, EMT-Paramedic EVAC Ambulance,
Daytona Beach, FL
csa819@clearwire.net


Dec 9, 2005, 07:09
Chad Stephen Albert, EMT-Paramedic  

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About the columnist: Matt is the Director of Tri-State Ambulance, a not-for-profit subsidiary of the Gundersen Lutheran Healthcare System located in La Crosse, Wisconsin. Tri-State serves as the sole 9-1-1 advanced life support provider for the 2,200 square mile greater Coulee Region local in Western Wisconsin and Eastern Minnesota. 

He holds a Masters Degree in Health Service Administration and has 25 years experience in EMS including volunteer, fire department, public and private sector EMS agencies. He is a former paramedic and has managed private sector ambulance services from 10,000 to more than 100,000 annual call volume in locations including Fairfield, Connecticut; Augusta, Georgia and Orlando, Florida. He has also served as a regulator in Lincoln, Nebraska and Volusia County (Daytona Beach), Florida. 

Matt is a frequent speaker at national conferences and has done consulting in numerous EMS issues, specializing in high performance EMS system operations, public/media relations, public policy, employee recruitment and retention, data analysis, costing strategies and EMS research.

He has served as the American Ambulance Association as Chair of the Industry Image Committee and membership on the Professional Standards, Strategic Development and Management Training Institute Committees.

Matt is an Adjunct Faculty for the UCF's College of Health and Public Affairs teaching courses in Healthcare Economics and Policy, Ethics, Managed Care and US Healthcare Systems.

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